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This Concept Map, created with IHMC CmapTools, has information related to: pulling things out for janes brain, do we have to choose knowledge of the parts / wisdom of the whole? yes I believe so, I think we agree that the lack of dynamic feedback is important ?rob thinks ?? Lack of dynamic feedback is what makes PC less complex?, trying to un pick what i find are the issues jane thinks this suggests heuristics are less than rational and she does not agree Rob says heurisitics must be framed within rational systems, help define the goals for the risk analaysis ???? either technical or policitical, Rational Tactical, We should each independantly define what we mean by "rational" and "political" without Looking at each others work until done, We are still far from that, even from a highly simplified and constrained perspective still It might be very good to explore and describe these broader perspectives to help us better understand the more constrained perspective (to see it in better perspective, as it were) (OK time for me to find another word!!!), Strategic do you Agree?, lack of feedback is a almost an inherent vice of preventive conservation Rob I agree absolutely I would drop the "almost", which could equally be loss of funing / closure as direct physical force? becuase what is troubling me is that Rob's circles keep excluding what I think is most important why must definition of PC be operational? what is the purpose of operational in this definition?, Some aspects require rational, analytical thinking and some require synthesizing, creative thinking ???? Do we have to do the conservator bit first, Lack of dynamic feedback is what makes PC less complex? the question of complexity can we agree that in complexity identifying critical nodes is critical for clarity?, can we agree that in complexity identifying critical nodes is critical for clarity? yes I agree with that but I think the identity of critical nodes may be very case dependent, Actually i agree but it is about deploying it tactically great point and word choice Rational, It might be very good to explore and describe these broader perspectives to help us better understand the more constrained perspective (to see it in better perspective, as it were) (OK time for me to find another word!!!) ???? Have you seen RAPT?, Risk factors causing gretest damage / loss ???? either technical or policitical, Looking at each others work until done mine will be in Rob's definitions, can we agree that in complexity identifying critical nodes is critical for clarity? they are Risk factors causing gretest damage / loss, This is as important, or more important than direct causes of loss and damage and I think Conservators need to be engaged in assessing and managing those risks, either technical or policitical yes I believe so